Starmer hits again at Musk and Tories over rape gangs declare, attacking these ‘spreading lies’ and ‘amplifying far proper’
Beth Rigby, the Sky News political editor, additionally asks about Elon Musk, and about his assaults on Jess Phillips, the safeguarding minister.
Starmer says that he thinks most individuals are extra within the NHS “than what’s happening on Twitter”.
But he says he does need to handle intimately this concern.
Let me begin with this, little one sexual exploitation is completely sickening, completely sickening.
And for a lot of, a few years, too many victims have been utterly let down, let down by perverse concepts about neighborhood relations or by the concept that establishments should be protected above all else. And they’ve not been listened to, and so they’ve not been heard.
And after I was chief prosecutor for 5 years, I tackled that head on, as a result of I might see what was occurring, and that’s why I reopened instances which have been closed and supposedly completed. I introduced the primary main prosecution of an Asian grooming gang within the explicit case – it was in Rochdale, nevertheless it was the primary of its form …
We modified, or I modified, the entire prosecution method, as a result of I wished to problem, and did problem the myths and stereotypes that had been stopping these victims being heard.
So we modified your complete method, not with out criticism on the time, I would add.
But after I left workplace, we had the very best variety of little one sexual abuse instances being prosecuted on file.
Now that file shouldn’t be secret as a public servant, it’s all it’s there for all of you or all people to see.
I additionally known as for obligatory reporting of kid sexual abuse. I’ve known as for that decade in the past. The Tories did nothing about that, for these 10 lengthy years, together with when the Jay report got here out.
Having defended his file as DPP, Starmer goes on to assault those that have criticised him and Jess Phillips. He doesn’t identify Elon Musk, however he’s clearly referring to him. Towards the top he additionally explicitly assaults the Tories, who’ve joined Musk in calling for an inquiry into the Oldham rape gangs. He says.
Those which can be spreading lies and misinformation as far and as broad as potential, they’re not taken with victims. They’re taken with themselves.
Those who’re cheerleading Tommy Robinson are usually not taken with justice. They’re supporting a person who went to jail for practically collapsing a grooming case, a gang grooming case. These are individuals are attempting to get some type of vicarious thrill from road violence that folks like Tommy Robinson promote.
And these attacking Jess Phillips, who I’m proud to name a colleague and a good friend on defending victims – Jess Phillips has achieved 1,000 instances greater than they’ve even dreamt about with regards to defending victims of sexual abuse all through her whole profession …
We’ve seen this playbook many instances, whipping up of intimidation and threats of violence, hoping that the media will amplify it.
Jess Phillips doesn’t want me or anyone else to talk on her behalf. But when the poison of the far proper results in severe threats to Jess Phillips and others, that in my guide [means] a line has been crossed.
I benefit from the reduce and thrust of politics, the sturdy debate that we will need to have, however that’s received to be primarily based on information and fact, not on lies, not on those that are so determined for consideration that they’re ready to debase themselves and their nation.
So this authorities will get on with the job of defending victims, together with little one sexual abuse, obligatory reporting, accelerating the processes.
But what I received’t tolerate is that this dialogue primarily based on lies with out calling it out. What I received’t tolerate is politicians leaping on the bandwagon merely to get consideration when these politicians sat in authorities for 14 lengthy years, tweeting, speaking, however not doing something about it – now so determined for consideration that they’re amplifying what the far proper is saying.
So that’s what I say about Jess Phillips, Thank you.
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Starmer condemns Badenoch for not denouncing Musk’s feedback about Jess Phillips
During the Q&A after his speech Keir Starmer was requested if he noticed Elon Musk’s feedback as a direct assault on him from the Trump administration, and if he could be asking Donald Trump to get Musk to “tone it down” once they met. (Starmer is anticipated to fly to Washington to see Trump pretty quickly after the inauguration.)
In his reply, Starmer mentioned he didn’t need to “individualise this to Elon Musk, or anyone else”. But then he, in impact, did make this about Kemi Badenoch, as a result of he went on to assault the Conservatives once more. He mentioned:
I’m very involved about the place the Tory get together is occurring this, on this nation …
I feel just a few months in the past it could have been unthinkable for issues to be mentioned about Jess Phillips that had been mentioned lately [Musk calling her a “rape genocide apologist”] with out all political events, and the chief of the opposition, calling it out in phrases.
I genuinely consider that. I don’t assume it was that way back that you’d have all anticipated that response. You’d have all been difficult the chief of the opposition, ‘Will you denounce this? This isn’t truthful, as a result of it’s put a member of parliament, my member of parliament, in danger.’
That’s not good. That’s why I say a line’s been crossed.
So this isn’t about America or Musk. I’m speaking about our politics. I’m speaking in regards to the accountability that our legislators have in calling this out for what it’s, and distancing themselves and condemning it.
Because if you happen to’re not stand ready to face up as a Tory MP and denounce what’s been mentioned about Jess Phillips, who’s now had threats made to her, then you have to critically contemplate when you’re in politics within the first place.
Badenoch, and the Conservative get together, have backed requires an new inquiry into little one sexual exploitation, and Badenoch revealed an article in the Mail on Sunday yesterday explaining why. In a post on X, Musk responded: “Good on Kemi Badenoch!”
Badenoch has not endorsed what Musk mentioned about Phillips on Friday last week. But she has not criticised it publicly both, and yesterday in a post on social media she defended Robert Jenrick after he was accused of creating inflammatory feedback on race. “We MUST be free to have tough conversations, no matter how difficult that may be to hear,” she mentioned.
Tulip Siddiq refers herself to PM’s ethics adviser over Bangladesh allegations, however she says she’s ‘achieved nothing unsuitable’
Tulip Siddiq, the Treasury minister, has referred herself to the unbiased adviser on ministerial requirements over reports that she was given a London flat by an individual linked to her aunt, the previous Bangladeshi prime minister Sheikh Hasina.
Asked in regards to the story at his Q&A, Keir Starmer mentioned:
Tulip Siddiq has acted fully correctly by referring herself to the unbiased adviser, as she’s now achieved, and that’s why we introduced into being the brand new code.
It’s to permit ministers to ask the adviser to determine the information, and, sure, I’ve received confidence in her, and that’s the method that can now be occurring.
Siddiq mentioned she had “done nothing wrong” in her letter to Sir Laurie Magnus, the unbiased adviser on ministerial requirements (aka the PM’s “ethics adviser”. She mentioned:
In current weeks I’ve been the topic of media reporting, a lot of it inaccurate, about my monetary affairs and my household’s hyperlinks to the previous authorities of Bangladesh.
I’m clear that I’ve achieved nothing unsuitable.
However, for the avoidance of doubt, I would love you to independently set up the information about these issues.
I’ll clearly guarantee you will have all the knowledge you have to do that.
As properly as being requested to clarify the flat, Siddiq has additionally confronted claims, which she has denied, that she is implicated in a corruption scandal being investigated in Bangladesh.
As PA Media reviews, Siddiq had been as a consequence of be part of a Treasury delegation heading to China this week, however will now keep within the UK. A supply mentioned: “Tulip wants to be the UK so she is available to assist the independent adviser on ministerial standards.”
Starmer says there isn’t any want for additional little one abuse inquiries as a result of now ‘it is time for motion’
GB News is extra sympathetic to rightwing causes than another broadcaster and it has been operating a variety of tales about requires an inquiry into the Oldham rape gang instances. Christopher Hope, its political editor, advised the grooming gangs concern was not absolutely lined within the last report from the unbiased inquiry into little one sexual abuse. He requested Starmer if he might be sure this was not nonetheless occurring at present, and he requested if he was apprehensive {that a} new inquiry may reveal his failings as DPP. ‘That’s why Elon Musk says, had been you complicit within the rape of Britain”. Hope claimed that simply going after the far proper was not an sufficient response.
In response, Starmer mentioned that Hope had lined what he did as DPP when he was a journalist on the Telegraph. He went on:
You checked out my file for 5 years as I used to be doing the job. You received entry to all the supplies … I’ve set out what I did. I truly modified the system, as a result of I might see a few of the issues that had been going unsuitable.
Starmer mentioned the victims suffered “sickening abuse” and weren’t listened to. That is why he modified the best way the CPS handled these instances. And it was partly why he went into politics, he mentioned.
On the query of this name for an ever rising variety of evaluations, there have been a variety of evaluations, together with localised evaluations, together with into Oldham – for instance, the mayor of Manchester did his overview. And the Jay report was supposed to take a look at the various kinds of exploitation that went on. It was a complete overview.
What Professor Jay mentioned was actually necessary there [see 9.44am], as a result of I utterly agree. This doesn’t want extra session, it doesn’t want extra analysis, it simply wants motion. There have been many, many evaluations … frankly, it’s time for motion.
Starmer accuses Tories of being ‘informal about sincere, decency, fact and rule of regulation’ in rape gang claims
The subsequent query got here kind Robert Peston from ITV News. He mentioned Elon Musk had mentioned Starmer needs to be in jail. That was libellous. Would Starmer sue?
Starmer didn’t handle the libel query (he received’t sue, as a result of that will be insanity), however he once more defended his file. He mentioned:
There’s nothing secret about being director of public prosections. Every single case I prosecuted went to courtroom, was checked out by a decide. I’ve an unbiased inspectorate, entry to each single file of each case, any time she or he wished. And I used to be overseen by the legal professional normal, which for 3 of the 5 years was a Tory legal professional normal.
So … relatively than me attempting to say any extra about what I did after I was in workplace, you may entry this materials. You know the place it’s, you understand what information are …
Once we lose the anchor that fact issues, within the sturdy debate that we will need to have, then we’re on a really slippery slope.
And when politicians, and I imply politicians who sat in authorities for a few years, are informal about honesty, decency, fact and the rule of regulation, calling for inquiries as a result of they need to bounce on a bandwagon of the far proper, that impacts politics as a result of a strong debate can solely be primarily based on the true information.
And that’s why that is truly an necessary level about our politics, not about what anyone might or might not say on Twitter. That truly isn’t the primary concern.
The principal concern is, what are politicians right here doing to face up for the issues that matter to our democracy?
That’s why I need to name this out, as a result of I feel it actually issues, and it issues not simply to me, not simply to the Labour get together. It must matter, and it used to matter to all political events, and it’s an indication of the place the Tory get together have gotten to that we’re even having this debate.
Starmer hits again at Musk and Tories over rape gangs declare, attacking these ‘spreading lies’ and ‘amplifying far proper’
Beth Rigby, the Sky News political editor, additionally asks about Elon Musk, and about his assaults on Jess Phillips, the safeguarding minister.
Starmer says that he thinks most individuals are extra within the NHS “than what’s happening on Twitter”.
But he says he does need to handle intimately this concern.
Let me begin with this, little one sexual exploitation is completely sickening, completely sickening.
And for a lot of, a few years, too many victims have been utterly let down, let down by perverse concepts about neighborhood relations or by the concept that establishments should be protected above all else. And they’ve not been listened to, and so they’ve not been heard.
And after I was chief prosecutor for 5 years, I tackled that head on, as a result of I might see what was occurring, and that’s why I reopened instances which have been closed and supposedly completed. I introduced the primary main prosecution of an Asian grooming gang within the explicit case – it was in Rochdale, nevertheless it was the primary of its form …
We modified, or I modified, the entire prosecution method, as a result of I wished to problem, and did problem the myths and stereotypes that had been stopping these victims being heard.
So we modified your complete method, not with out criticism on the time, I would add.
But after I left workplace, we had the very best variety of little one sexual abuse instances being prosecuted on file.
Now that file shouldn’t be secret as a public servant, it’s all it’s there for all of you or all people to see.
I additionally known as for obligatory reporting of kid sexual abuse. I’ve known as for that decade in the past. The Tories did nothing about that, for these 10 lengthy years, together with when the Jay report got here out.
Having defended his file as DPP, Starmer goes on to assault those that have criticised him and Jess Phillips. He doesn’t identify Elon Musk, however he’s clearly referring to him. Towards the top he additionally explicitly assaults the Tories, who’ve joined Musk in calling for an inquiry into the Oldham rape gangs. He says.
Those which can be spreading lies and misinformation as far and as broad as potential, they’re not taken with victims. They’re taken with themselves.
Those who’re cheerleading Tommy Robinson are usually not taken with justice. They’re supporting a person who went to jail for practically collapsing a grooming case, a gang grooming case. These are individuals are attempting to get some type of vicarious thrill from road violence that folks like Tommy Robinson promote.
And these attacking Jess Phillips, who I’m proud to name a colleague and a good friend on defending victims – Jess Phillips has achieved 1,000 instances greater than they’ve even dreamt about with regards to defending victims of sexual abuse all through her whole profession …
We’ve seen this playbook many instances, whipping up of intimidation and threats of violence, hoping that the media will amplify it.
Jess Phillips doesn’t want me or anyone else to talk on her behalf. But when the poison of the far proper results in severe threats to Jess Phillips and others, that in my guide [means] a line has been crossed.
I benefit from the reduce and thrust of politics, the sturdy debate that we will need to have, however that’s received to be primarily based on information and fact, not on lies, not on those that are so determined for consideration that they’re ready to debase themselves and their nation.
So this authorities will get on with the job of defending victims, together with little one sexual abuse, obligatory reporting, accelerating the processes.
But what I received’t tolerate is that this dialogue primarily based on lies with out calling it out. What I received’t tolerate is politicians leaping on the bandwagon merely to get consideration when these politicians sat in authorities for 14 lengthy years, tweeting, speaking, however not doing something about it – now so determined for consideration that they’re amplifying what the far proper is saying.
So that’s what I say about Jess Phillips, Thank you.
Starmer declines to answer Musk’s suggestion ‘tyrannical’ UK authorities needs to be overthrown
Starmer is now taking questions.
Q: [From Hugh Pym, the BBC’s health editor] By specializing in chopping ready lists, are you downgrading different well being targets. And will A&E lose out?
Starmer says simply because the NHS is prioritising ready lists, that doesn’t imply different areas are being uncared for. “We can walk and chew gum,” he says.
Q: What do you consider Elon Musk calling for the tyrannical UK goverment to be overthrown? [See 9.54am.]
Starmer replies merely:
In relation to that, I don’t actually have any touch upon the actual remark that was made this morning by Musk.
Starmer is now summarising a few of the measures within the elective reform plan.
Here is the abstract from the information launch.
Further measures embody:
Using the NHS app to provide sufferers larger selection and management over their remedy. This consists of ensuring sufferers can get higher entry to info through the app, comparable to the small print of their appointments, outcomes and ready instances, and use it to guide appointments within the location of their selection, with details about ready instances and affected person satisfaction.
Preventing pointless referrals. GPs will probably be funded to work with hospital medical doctors to get specialist recommendation earlier than making referrals, in order that extra sufferers get the care they want with out being referred onto the ready checklist.
Giving sufferers selection over non important comply with up appointments as a part of a drive to release round 1 million appointments a yr for many who want them.
Making extra appointments out there in the neighborhood as a substitute of hospitals. More remedy for 5 specialties with explicit stress on ready lists may also be made out there exterior of hospital via focused reforms, together with Ear Nose and Throat providers, the place round 30% of referrals presently made to secondary care might be supplied in the neighborhood.
Making comfort for sufferers a precedence via the roll out of revolutionary ‘collective care’ approaches, for instance, one cease clinics the place sufferers could be assessed, recognized or reviewed on the identical day; the place acceptable, providing group appointments the place sufferers with long run circumstances might profit from being supported collectively; opening ‘super clinics’ which deliver collectively a wider vary of clinicians to supervise affected person care below the oversight of a marketing consultant, rising the variety of sufferers seen in a day.
Driving up affected person expertise via a set of nationwide requirements for elective care. We will publish minimal requirements that sufferers ought to anticipate to expertise in elective care, together with giving sufferers a shortlist of suppliers to select from and readability on how lengthy they’re more likely to wait. In flip these requirements will make it simpler to establish the place efficiency is falling quick and easy methods to enhance it.
Starmer says he needs to see NHS providers organised round affected person management.
He says the current pilots for Martha’s rule are exhibiting how this may make a distinction.
It’s a few shift within the steadiness of energy away from passive deference to medical doctors and in the direction of sufferers with the ability to get that second opinion, play a larger position in deciding their care and their remedy.
The early outcomes of Martha’s rule are in, lives of a few of the sickest sufferers in our care remodeled, prolonged and saved and so it’s a rule that’s now being recognised as doubtlessly groundbreaking in its innovation.
Starmer says there was a file £25bn funding within the NHS within the finances.
And this may fund “40,000 extra appointments every single week”, he says.
But the cash should be tied to reform, he says.
Let me be crystal clear, that cash will probably be used, not because it has been prior to now as simply papering over the cracks. That’s the definition of the sticking plaster politics that we had been elected to alter.
This is the yr we roll up our sleeves and reform the NHS.
Starmer reminds the viewers that his spouse and sister work for the NHS, as his mom did. And he says, if it had not been for the care his mom received from the NHS for her Still’s disease, “I wouldn’t be standing here in front of you today”.
He says each household within the nation has a narrative like this to inform in regards to the NHS.
Starmer says there may be “no institution more important for the security of our country than the National Health Service”.
But he says the general public are usually not proud of it due to the state it has been left in.
So 2025 is about rebuilding Britain, and rebuilding our NHS is the cornerstone of that, and that’s why I wished to return right here to make this speech this morning.
We will, after all, shield the rules all of us cherish, that you just work to every single day – care free on the level of use, remedy based on want.
But, to catapult the service into the longer term, we’d like an NHS that’s reformed from prime to backside.
Starmer offers speech on how NHS will reduce ready lists in England
Keir Starmer is delivering his speech in regards to the elective reform plan now.
Here is the Downing Street news release despatched out in a single day previewing what he’s asserting.
One downside for Keir Starmer is that, whereas he can ignore Elon Musk, he can not ignore Donald Trump, and it isn’t clear what Trump himself thinks of Musk’s social media vitriol about Starmer, the Labour authorities and the UK. There at the very least 5 prospects.
1) ‘Great stuff, that’s what I feel too.”
2) ‘Elon’s going excessive, but when the socialist Labour authorities is frightened I agree, that may not be a nasty factor.’
3) ‘Elon’s going too far, and he has forgotten who is actually the boss.’
4) ‘Elon’s going too far, and it isn’t useful as a result of it would undermine relations with an ally.’
5) ‘What tweets? Who cares?’
The reply might be a mix of two), 3) and 4), with occasional moments of 1) and 5), however I’m afraid I don’t truly know. If I discover anybody who does, I’ll submit what they are saying right here.
Elon Musk is, if something, escalating his social media assaults on Labour. In the previous couple of hours, in his feed on X, he has been posting extra feedback in regards to the little one abuse scandal within the UK, adding Gordon Brown to his checklist of villains, and running a poll on whether or not “America should liberate the people of Britain from their tyrannical government”. More than 270,000 folks have responded, and presently 68% are saying sure.
How ought to a PM reply to this kind of lunacy. In his current guide, On Leadership, the previous Labour prime minister Tony Blair provides an inexpensive reply. He says:
The public reads it, creates it, but additionally has an innate sense that the outline I’ve simply given of it [that a lot of what is on social media is hateful and false] is actually true. Therefore, they buffet politicians with it, and on the similar time need politicians to be sturdy sufficient to resist it and deal with it with the respect it deserves – which is commonly not a lot.
Never underestimate the diploma to which individuals crave management. Back to Moses once more. The Israelites concurrently hated and craved his management. If you keep in mind, they reached the promised land (although, sure, I do know, he didn’t).
In the social media world, energy as a political Leader, all the time necessary, turns into much more so. The worst the folks can consider you as a Leader is that you’re bullied – or bulliable, if there may be such a phrase. Even a few of those that agree with the criticism being made don’t need to see you bend. The extra ferocious the onslaught, the extra the reward for staying upright.
Surf the wave of each passing present of Twitter opinion, and you might take pleasure in spasmodic reputation, however you’ll in the end be disregarded as a Leader. People need a sense not that somebody is detached to what social media is saying – it may be revealing an necessary fact – however that you just as a Leader are ready to be the rock on which the wave breaks, not be swept away by it.
Child abuse inquiry chair declines to again calls for brand new Oldham probe, and says her suggestions needs to be carried out
The Conservative get together and Reform UK have each been calling for a public inquiry into the Oldham little one abuse scandal. They have been saying this in response to a report last week saying the federal government had rejected a request from Oldham council for a nationwide inquiry. Given that there have been different inquiries into what occurred in Oldham, in addition to a seven-year, all-encompassing inquiry into little one abuse in Britain, the case for a brand new inquiry may appear weak. But the story has attracted a variety of consideration partially as a result of Elon Musk has been endlessly posting inflammatory tweets about this on X.
Prof Alexis Jay, who chaired the nationwide little one abuse inquiry, has not backed requires a brand new inquiry into what occurred at Oldham. As the BBC reports, in a press release she has as a substitute known as for the “full implementation” of the suggestions she set out in her personal report. She says:
Our mission is to not name for brand new inquiries however to advocate for the total implementation of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse’s suggestions. A toddler safety authority is important to this course of.
Labour say it should implement the suggestions from the 2022 report “at pace”. In a press release yesterday the get together mentioned:
The Conservatives spent years dragging their ft and failing to implement the suggestions in Prof Jay’s report, which they praised for its thoroughness. The hypocrisy of Tory politicians is shameful and disrespects the victims of those vile crimes.
Now is the time for motion and supply. This Labour authorities will act at tempo to implement the Jay suggestions to guard younger women from horrific sexual abuse. We will shield ladies and women the place the Tories failed.
Starmer anticipated to defend file on rape gangs after well being reform speech
Good morning. Prime ministers wish to deal with what they assume is necessary and there are few points extra necessary within the UK than the state of the NHS. On his first correct day again at work after the Christmas holidays, Keir Starmer is giving a speech on this, and Andrew Gregory has previewed it right here.
I’ll be overlaying the speech, and response to it, intimately because the day goes on.
But prime ministers even have to speak through the media, and for years they’ve needed to take care of the truth that that British papers have their very own agenda, and are largely hostile to Labour governments. Social media is even worse. And that’s the reason Starmer is anticipated to search out his post-speech Q&A dominated by questions on a toddler abuse scandal from about 20 years in the past.
Part of the protection has been pushed by false and absurd claims about Starmer and Jess Phillips, the safeguarding minister. Politicians, and journalists, usually work on the idea that they will ignore loudmouth idiots and that they need to solely take note of figures of authority. But, with Donald Trump about to change into US president once more, what occurs if the determine of authority can also be a loudmouth fool – or at the very least presents as one? The present Oldham rape gang controversy has been stirred up by tweets from Elon Musk, the tech billionaire and main Trump ally, however it’s an early indication of a few of the issues Trump’s social media outbursts are more likely to trigger when he returns to the White House.
Over current weeks Downing Street has usually mentioned little or nothing about Musk many inflammatory feedback about Starmer on X, the social media platform he owns. Other ministers have caught to the identical line, though on the weekend Wes Streeting, the well being secretary, described Musk’s assault on Phillips as “appalling”. (Whether this was inspired by No 10, or simply freelance retaliation, was not clear.)
Today Starmer himself is anticipated to hit again, not a lot by attacking Musk personally, as by defending his personal file coping with little one abuse instances when he was director of public prosecutions. In a report in the Times, Steven Swinford says:
The prime minister is anticipated to answer [Musk’s claim that he was “complict in the rape of Britain”] on Monday as he holds a serious press convention about his plans to chop NHS ready lists. He is anticipated to say that he gave the “green light” to prosecuting paedophile gangs in Rochdale in 2013 and spotlight the actual fact he launched reforms to the best way the Crown Prosecution Service handles little one abuse instances. He additionally launched a nationwide community of specialist prosecutors to look into little one abuse and sexual exploitation.
The prime minister can also be more likely to concern a forthright defence of Phillips and the work she has achieved in tackling violence towards ladies and women. Both Labour and the Tories have mentioned that Musk’s feedback about Phillips are inaccurate.
Chris Mason, the BBC’s political editor, has had an identical briefing. Speaking on the Today programme this morning, he mentioned he anticipated Starmer to say that the controversy about how little one abuse instances had been dealt with needs to be “grounded in verifiable facts”.
We’ll hear Starmer’s personal phrases quickly. Here is the agenda for the day.
10am: Keir Starmer delivers his speech on the elective reform plan, the proposals to make sure the NHS in England hits its goal of making certain that by 2029 92% of sufferers don’t have to attend greater than 18 weeks for an operation. But he’s additionally taking questions from the media, and is anticipated to be requested a few vary of points which have been within the information over the vacation interval.
2.30pm: John Healey, the defence secretary, takes questions within the Commons.
After 3.30pm: MPs debate a backbench movement calling for the federal government to research methods of seizing frozen Russian belongings within the UK and utilizing them to fund Ukraine.
4.30pm: MPs maintain a debate in Westminster Hall on the petition saying there needs to be a recent normal election.
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