SPOILER ALERT: Best in the event you first watch Season 2’s closing installment of The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power earlier than studying this interview, wherein showrunners Patrick McKay and JD Payne get granular on the entire second season of the present that climaxes with the season finale “Shadow and Flame.”
You’ll learn beneath concerning the loss of life of a number of fundamental characters as Sauron destroys Eregion and its Elf chief Celebrimbor in his quest to forge the rings of energy he believes will cement his rule over Middle-earth. Perhaps much less stunning is the journey of The Stranger, culminating in his realization that he’s Grand Elf — Gandalf for brief — the long-lasting wizard character from JRR Tolkien’s works.
McKay & Payne have set the stage for Season 3 and are deep within the writing despite the fact that Amazon hasn’t but delivered a inexperienced gentle that appears an inevitable announcement simply up the highway. Amazon MGM Studios head Jennifer Salke gave a Prime Video UK Upfront presentation this week and stated greater than 150 million viewers watched the primary season, and 55 million viewers tuning in to Season 2, a quantity that can doubtless develop because the season concludes.
DEADLINE: Loads occurred this season, and also you’ve ended by leaving Middle-earth a multitude. We met the Balrog, the fiery creature triggered by the dwarf King Durin III, who dug too far into the mines of Khazad-Dum due to the affect of the ring corrupted by Sauron. Durin lastly snapped to his senses in time to present his life to battle the beast and depart it trapped within the depths of the mine. What was essentially the most difficult factor about bringing this fiery creature to life?
PATRICK McKAY: This was really one of the technically difficult sequences we’ve ever completed within the present. That set, as a result of it’s a cave, is exceedingly troublesome to shoot in. A cave is darkish, proper? But the mine they’re in has this mithril, the Tolkien ore, which kind of shimmers. So the lighting is advanced. Our cinematographer, Alex Disenhoff, designed this whole rig in order that the sunshine would glow like moonlight blue on them after which shift to orange.
JD PAYNE: It’s fairly a stupendous look. You see it on the face of Peter Mullan, who performs the king, because the blue shifts to orange and hopefully the viewers goes, oh no, it’s coming. The picture of the king leaping into the void, and sacrificing himself to purchase the dominion extra time and put the genie again within the bottle, that was a picture that got here within the very first writers room 5 years in the past in Santa Monica. And that tableau of the dwarf making a leap together with his ax for the valor, and that being the very last thing Durin IV ever sees of his father. We’ve spent 5 years crafting story to construct and hopefully we earned that second. It was initially going to be the ending of Season 1, however we felt there was a lot story right here, and we love Peter Mullan a lot and there’s a lot available between him and his son at loggerheads. We determined to let breathe over a whole season.
DEADLINE: And you gave Durin a redemptive loss of life scene…
PAYNE: Characters who do evil issues in Tolkien, typically they’re good folks doing mistaken issues and it’s uncommon that whether or not you’re a dwarf, a hobbit or an elf, you’re all good or all dangerous. And despite the fact that King Durin made some actual errors, there clearly was nonetheless good in him.
DEADLINE: Another necessary and stunning loss of life of a serious character is Adar, the chief of the Orcs. He places on Galadriel’s ring, considering it would give him the facility to conquer Sauron, however this was a pure and untainted ring of energy, and his darkish corpse-y look is gone and his pores and skin is easy and he’s turned again into an elf. Was that his undoing?
McKAY: What’s actually enjoyable this season is the people who find themselves carrying these rings don’t but know every part they’re going to do. They’re discovering it alongside the way in which. At the start of the season, Elrond felt that the rings given the elves are tainted. But Galadriel says no, they’re okay, and so they grappled the entire season over that. But the extra Elrond sees, he realizes this ring appears to assist and heal, and warn us of hazard.
We preferred the concept that Adar desires to make use of the ring as a weapon. He thinks it’s going to present him energy to defeat Sauron, however as an alternative what it does is heal him and places him on this place of actually eager about who he desires to be and what he desires to do.
PAYNE: And then it’s ironic, he’s introduced again to his stunning Elvish kind, his immortal face, and in the end it alienates him from his youngsters. His youngsters take a look at him and it’s like, you’re not our father anymore. You’re an elf. And so it really makes him notice, no, this isn’t who I’m anymore. I’ve turn into the daddy of the Orcs. That’s who I’ve lived as that’s that’s what I might go ahead as. So he provides the ring up again to Galadriel in hopes of forming a partnership. We love these defining moments. The Orcs are going to finish up being slaves of Sauron and there’s going to be struggle between Orcs and Elves for generations to return. We love these off-ramp moments. What was the second when the Titanic might have turned and possibly not hit the iceberg, or when Romeo or Juliet won’t have drunk that poison and will have been collectively? These are such tantalizing, tragic moments for audiences. And so actually displaying at giving this second the place the Elves and Orcs might have been buddies and for half a second the ring might have introduced that.
McKAY: Maybe not buddies, however they could’ve gone their separate methods at peace with one another. These characters are discovering what the rings can and may’t do, and there’s one thing cool about this ring stopping Adar from turning into this creature, however it can not change what’s inside him, that’s nonetheless there. The ring goes away and it comes again. Whatever evil magic turned him into this, the ring is just not extra highly effective. That felt someway thematically applicable by way of what the deep metaphysics of the magic on this world are.
DEADLINE: With his sleight of hand, Sauron appeared to be two steps forward of all people. He terribly manipulated the Elf Lord Celebrimbor to get him to create the corrupted rings for the dwarves and the 9 for males, even creating an phantasm of tranquility in Eregion, which was being decimated by an assault by Orcs, all so Celebrimbor wouldn’t be distracted so he might end the rings. But a shock got here when Celebrimbor received the higher hand simply earlier than his loss of life. Sauron deliberate to torture Celebrimbor till he divulged the place the 9 rings had been hidden. But Celebrimbor insulted Sauron and provoked him to complete off the Elf. And then we see Sauron shed tears. Explain that second. We see Sauron get better shortly, and get these Orcs on his aspect, those who kill Adar. You advised me in the beginning of the season you took inspiration from Paradise Lost in creating Sauron. What had been these tears about?
McKAY: You make a factor, and there comes a sure level whenever you really feel such as you’re a part of the viewers. Patrick and I’ve totally different interpretations of what’s happening for Sauron there, so he can provide you his personal expertise. We’re so enormously pleased with what Charlie Vickers did this season as Sauron — it’s a richly emotional piece of labor for an actor. That scene is among the locations we’re simply in awe of what he can do. Never in our wildest imaginations did we dream we might have a Sauron as layered as Charlie has made Sauron. But in that second, I feel he strikes by 4 or 5 totally different feelings that each one play out silently on his face. It’s the best visible impact the present has, and we’re simply in awe. In phrases of what’s happening in that scene, he’s undoubtedly been defeated for a second and for an individual like Sauron defeat could be deeply shameful and embarrassing. He could be in his personal second, really weak in a means he would by no means need anybody to see. And I feel there’s one thing perversely touching about sharing that second with somebody who’s completed one thing so evil. But then anytime Middle-earth closes a door, it opens a window, and in comes the Orc we’ve been monitoring all season.
PAYNE: I actually join with him this second of vulnerability for Sauron. We’ve been watching him attempt to join over the course of the present. We get that he had this former boss, Morgoth, who had this imaginative and prescient of making order in Middle-earth, and it didn’t work out. They misplaced the struggle. He tried it once more with Galadriel, inviting her in. He mainly proposed to her, come be with me, be my queen, and let’s rule her Middle-earth collectively. You’re a light-weight to my ambition, peanut butter to my jelly, let’s go. And she stated no, she rejected him. So now, he says to Celebrimbor, I don’t have the craftsmanship to make these rings I would like to understand my imaginative and prescient, however you do. Come on, let’s do it collectively. And once more, he has this partnership, however it fails. There’s one thing damaged in Sauron, that his partnerships don’t work out. This is one more rejection and failure to actually join with one other highly effective being that would deliver to cross a imaginative and prescient with him. I feel there’s a real mourning, a way of failure and of loss as he’s seeing Celebrimbor, who might have been his good friend. But he couldn’t assist however corrupt and manipulate and destroy him, after which he responds to watching him die.
DEADLINE: It’s a bit onerous to inform these Orcs aside, however wasn’t Adar’s killer his right-hand man, who appeared to have empathy, and a baby?
McKAY: Or appeared to. It was very, very gently laid in, or a minimum of in our minds. But in the event you watch the season once more, we’re so educated to see Orcs as a pack of storm troopers. If you watch the season once more, Robert Strange, who performs that character, Glug is his identify. He’s lined in prosthetics. It’s a very subtly woven efficiency that runs by the entire season. And it’s straightforward to miss since you simply assume it’s an Orc. But there’s so much happening there, I dare say, that can unfold over repeat viewings if somebody’s prepared to present us extra of their hours.
DEADLINE: Glug confirmed the empathy all through the season, he was the one always asking Adar, why can’t we simply reside in peace. You guys wrote it; how was he so simply corrupted Sauron? He should be the best silver-tongued seducer this aspect of Bill Clinton…
PAYNE: We wouldn’t touch upon that individual reference, however I feel Sauron is topic to a whole lot of limitations, really. He’s very highly effective, a really canny improviser, and he sees cracks that he can undergo. So Glug’s journey with Adar, in some methods he turned disenchanted together with his personal chief. You cared for us. Why are you doing this to us? Which meant that when Sauron got here in, there was a vulnerability he might exploit. He didn’t create that vulnerability, Adar did, however it was Sauron who baited Adar to go to struggle once more. So he’s not designing each one among these outcomes and mastering the whole story, however Sauron is superb at seeing folks and profiting from alternatives. And it is a case the place it appears this or and a few group of Orcs at this level within the story, all they wanted was a bit push. And Sauron is simply lucky sufficient to be within the place to supply it.
DEADLINE: What follows is Sauron’s near-death battle with Galadriel, who spurned his proposal to rule Middle-earth. When he appears to be repeating that courtship, does he imply it or is he doing something he can to govern his solution to achieve an higher hand?
McKAY: We talked so much about what was happening emotionally in that sword combat. We weren’t notably within the acrobatic sword combat. Sometimes, and also you consider Alec Guinness, it may be an ideal sword combat if it’s emotional. It’s concerning the characters. And so we had been actually coming at it from there. And in the event you watch that, the story being advised at first, he’s form of batting her round after which she begins proving her mettle. Once Sauron begins dropping, now he’s going to get beneath her pores and skin. He’s received to remove the benefit that maybe her ring has helped her discover. And now he’s received to defeat her psychologically. And that’s when he begins, come on, you and me. And I really discover as a viewer once more, I discover her defiance fairly heroic given that everybody, all season, has stated, you’re weak and he received to you. In the top, she is prepared to sacrifice herself actually to get him out of her head. There is only a lot happening between the 2 of them there. I don’t know if any of his gives or entreaties to her are earnest. I feel he simply wants these rings, proper?
DEADLINE: Watching that, I recalled in The Fellowship of the Ring the place Frodo gives to present her his ring, and she or he fights the temptation and now you see she had a previous expertise with a hoop of energy. It appears a bit little bit of connective tissue.
PAYNE: That chapter incident was one of many inspirations for the whole present. The concept that she should actually know herself fairly properly and her temptation to evil fairly properly. The ring is temptation personified and that temptation that the ring exerts over you so exists by his pressure of character and charisma. So we’re watching her battle with issues she’ll battle with later.
DEADLINE: When Sauron received between Celebrimbor when he tried to drop mithril within the melted gold to present the rings their energy…
PAYNE: It’s a development. First time, he touches the mithril and places some darkish incantation into it. But with the rings for males, he tells Celebrimbor, I received you the mithril ore you wanted. It’s really his blood. You’ve seen him slice his palm.
McKAY: With every spherical of rings, he’s having a higher and extra sinister affect upon this story we’re making an attempt to inform…
DEADLINE: When will we get to his ring, the one which within the motion pictures is taken by Isildur, and later Gollum, after which Bilbo and Frodo Baggins? Is {that a} season or two up the highway?
PAYNE: Can’t touch upon that. All we are able to say is we’re deep within the works on Season 3 and it’s going to be cool.
McKAY: The final time you see Sauron in episode 8, he’s now inherited the heirloom hammer. And in her voiceover, Megan Richards’ character Poppy Proudfellow is speaking about, after a defeat and an ideal loss, all you are able to do is decide your self up and construct one thing new. And that appears to suggest possibly the subsequent step in Sauron’s journey. But that’s all we are able to say.
DEADLINE: Onto the boys that might be given these 9 rings, maybe subsequent season. They are in a state of energy struggles and chaos. Give us a way the place all that’s going? It is definitely reflective of energy in governments around the globe the place simply because you could have been proved proper doesn’t imply that you simply’re essentially get the higher hand. I imply, it’s very fascinating. We see Queen Miriel get spit out of the water by the ocean monster the Sea Worm, and she or he is washed up on the shore in entrance of everybody. And but the presumptive ruler, Ar-Pharazon, calls it trickery from Sauron, and rounds up the believers and dissidents. Where is all this going?
McKAY: Numenor is an enormous, massive epic story that we needed to inform over the course of the present, because the minute we received there. The warmth has been turned up on the pot of water and all the characters are like frogs and issues are beginning to boil. There is absolutely thrilling stuff to return in Numenor, and we’re actually excited for the place that’s going to go subsequent. Every season of this present, totally different worlds are going to turn into extra outstanding on this planet of males over in Numan or this season you’re watching it take a flip, however as soon as the flip is full, issues are going to get actually harmful.
PAYNE: You’re watching this kingdom devolve into tribalism and simply being increasingly and extra polarized and seeing a household on the heart of that the place the daddy, Elendil, is clearly aligned with the devoted, and his daughter is aligned with the so-called king, and we watch them attempt to preserve their familial bond. It’s one thing you see often. How many children are there round that received’t speak to their mother and father as a result of, wait, you’re voting for that particular person? Politics result in estrangement in our world usually and the power to dramatize that writ giant in a kingdom that’s actually coming aside on the seams, it felt like a cool alternative to us.
Isildur, the son of Elendil, goes by his personal journey in Middle-earth. This is the child that in Season 1 was kind of Luke Skywalker trying on the horizon, craving to be wherever however house. Now he’s out within the massive imply world and in locations that make him notice that house ain’t so dangerous. Numenor is a tremendous kingdom that eclipses anything that people have achieved right here in Middle-earth. And so he comes to understand simply how particular the house that he’s been longing to get away from actually is. And so now that he’s going by his Dorothy, there’s-no-place-like-home journey, however when he will get there, it’s going to be a really totally different house than the one he left.
DEADLINE: And he’s simply had his coronary heart damaged…
McKAY: Yes. And we consider in investing in long-term progress and alter in these worlds and in these folks. And on a regular basis we’re spending with these characters and all of the mini journeys of Isildur, having an infatuation that was possibly a bit deeper than he had earlier than and having it blow up in his face, it looks like that would result in massive issues down the highway. So typically we’re laying monitor right here, however there’s a plan and it’s going actually good locations. And these actors had actually good seasons. We love what Cynthia [Addai-Robinson] did this season because the Queen. We love what Lloyd [Owen] did this season. Lloyd actually form of got here into his personal as Elendil in a few these episodes. And it was nice to get Isildur on unfamiliar terrain, muddy although it might be typically.
DEADLINE: And you managed to work in a lethal and nasty large Hill-troll, the Balrog, Barrow-wights and the large spider. Which creature felt most rewarding whenever you watched it play onscreen?
McKAY: I’ll name out two of ’em. Yeah, I feel Damrod the Hill Troll is one, and we’ve to present props to Jason Smith, our superb VFX producer. He didn’t solely have so much to do with the way in which the Damrod seemed, but additionally simply together with his angle. He actually spent a whole lot of time eager about what sort of life this character would’ve lived. And that was simply infused in all of his expressions. He even ended up voicing a number of the shouts and grunts that the troll makes. So a whole lot of the life pressure comes from Jason Smith for that troll and finally ends up being one thing very particular. We love the heavy steel rating that Bear McCreary our composer got here up with for it. So I feel that’s one which’s actually enjoyable.
But I feel the one which surpassed even our expectations and swept us up in childlike marvel, had been the Ents, voiced by Olivia Williams after which Jim Broadband. There’s one thing so wondrous about it. I feel the time once we first noticed and we had seen drawings, we had seen type animatic and kind of renderings of the motion, however once we first noticed the actual VFX pictures dropped into the minimize, we had been all simply speechless and swept up on this simply childlike marvel.
PAYNE: In phrases of the craft, Jason and his workforce had been on the high of their recreation. He’s not simply the man who does the VFX. He’s an artist and a visionary who’s within the custom of Ray Harryhausen, Stan Winston, Rick Baker. He’s creating creatures and characters utilizing the state-of-the-art science. He’s a scientist and a painter on the identical time.
And there’s a lot artistry and character. He’s coming at it with how do I inform the feelings that can deliver it throughout whereas being true to the truth that it’s a tree. It’s a efficiency as a lot as anything. And I feel only for us, simply talking as viewers, once more, the work he’s doing, we might maintain it up towards anyone working within the business right now, movie, you identify it. And he’s doing it on a tv schedule. It is a feat of magic that he performs each season and we’re always in awe of it. And we’re so fortunate to be the recipients of it. He is the creator of these characters as a lot as something we might ever hope to put in writing on the web page.
DEADLINE: Unleashing the Hill-troll into the siege of Eregion additionally places Adar on the outs together with his troll leaders who say, you may’t ship him, he’ll kill our guys as a lot as our enemies. Adar appears to not care.
PAYNE: It’s a tragic flaw. He’s making an attempt so onerous to guard his youngsters, however he’s dropping them. It’s a bit bit Michael Corleone, isn’t it? Michael’s making an attempt to be sturdy for his household and kill all people else, and that’s how he loses his household. When you’ll find a personality whose inner want and exterior actions are a precise opposition to at least one one other, there’s an actual potent dramatic irony. And the concept that Sauron, once more with him like all people else, he knew simply the button to push: your youngsters are going to be enslaved except you search out Sauron and kill him. Adar thinks he’s being proactive. I’m going to deliver a military and chase this man and really that’s precisely what Sauron needed. Adar’s energy and loyalty is the factor that makes him bizarrely noble, regardless of all his villainy. It turns into the Achilles heel, his undoing.
McKAY: I feel he realizes that if he doesn’t go all in, his youngsters turn into Sauron’s slaves, which is strictly what occurs anyway. That’s the tragedies. Once he’s lifeless, and as soon as Sauron makes the one ring, the Orcs lose all their free will and so they’re mainly senseless zombies. Adar performs proper into Sauron’s hand. He’s holding on so tightly, like pulling a bow string again to this point that ultimately it snaps.
PAYNE: But he had no alternative. We’re going to overlook Adar, and writing for that character. Sam Hazeldine actually did a tremendous job this season and his efficiency beneath all these prosthetics.
DEADLINE: Finally we come to The Stranger and his journey. By the top, he’s known as Grand Elf, and shortens it to Gandalf. He additionally finds the workers we’ve turn into so used to seeing. He survives the one known as the Dark Wizard who proposes the rule Middle-earth collectively. I assumed that was Saruman, however maybe that wizard is available in later. Talk concerning the wizards, and the institution of that signature LOTR character Gandalf.
McKAY: Well, to start with, I might simply replicate that I feel your evaluation of the Dark Wizard being Sauron is likely to be a reasonably astute remark. As far as Gandalf, we talked so much about him over six years. We knew we needed a wizard within the story, and we talked so much with the Tolkien property about what it takes to make it really feel like Middle-earth. It’s like Christmas dinner. You received your turkey, you bought your stuffing, you bought your cranberry sauce, you bought mashed potatoes. If you don’t have a type of? Here, you’ve received halflings and dwarves and people and elves, you want a wizard in there to make it actually really feel like Middle-earth. The query is, which one? So he involves Middle-earth and at first he doesn’t know who he’s. And it was a journey discovery for him. And in some methods additionally for us at first, we simply knew he was a wizard. And then because the items actually began to return collectively, he stated he’s a wizard who’s discovered by halflings and who turns into actually shut with halflings.
Well, gee, near halflings. A few centuries later, Gandalf, he ultimately runs into Tom Bombadil on the finish of his time, Middle-earth. Gandalf says, you understand what? And that is within the books, I’m going to go hang around with Tom Bombadil. I received some issues I received to speak to him about. And we stated, properly gee, whenever you depart a spot, you don’t go to make a brand new good friend. You go speak to an previous good friend and say goodbye and say, okay, properly if this wizard had come throughout Tom Bombadil, that may make one other sense for it to be Gandalf. Plenty of issues began coming collectively that basically kind of pointed us to this wizard needs to be Gandalf. And we love the character a lot. There’s hints additionally that Gandalf might have come sooner than the third age and wandered amongst a number of the peoples of Middle-earth. So we went with that.
PAYNE: How do you make a Lord of the Rings present with out Lord of the Rings‘ most beloved character? I think at the end of the day, what we came to was you can’t. If there’s any means we are able to justify him being round, it’s simply too tempting to not go there.
DEADLINE: Also, Middle-earth is decimated and also you want a superhero and he’s the closest to that on the nice man ledger…
McKAY: I like the place your head is at as a result of I feel it’s crucial that this story that has gone to this point east goes to return again west, so to talk, and we’ll hyperlink up and he has an necessary function to play within the grand scheme of issues transferring ahead.
DEADLINE: I’ve learn that the inspiration for Tolkien’s creation of Middle-earth was the horrors he witnessed in World War I. You see it within the excessive stakes that if good doesn’t stand up towards evil, the world is over. Do you’re feeling that urgency and its origins whenever you write these episodes?
McKAY: All the time. We wish to be true to the spirit of what he was writing about. And these core emotional dynamics that obsessed him, we give it some thought on a regular basis and speak about it on a regular basis and there’s some belongings you simply go that doesn’t really feel like Tolkien. And that’s the very first thing you chuck out.
PAYNE: And there’s two issues I feel actually come again to the WWI of all of it. It provides it a degree of emotional depth and a permission to go to a spot that’s really darkish, however it’s not darkish for darkness’ sake.
What’s superb about Tolkien’s work, in the event you actually give it some thought within the historic context of the work, the world wherein it was created is the entire era of writers who got here out of WWI. I got here out actually shellshocked and actually with a whole lot of PTSD and produced a literature of alienation and fragmentation. It’s the Lost Generation. I like that literature. I studied it in faculty after which wrote a whole lot of papers about it. But Tolkien is just not a part of the Lost Generation. He writes this fairy story that it has the ache of the Lost Generation in it, however there’s an optimistic core to it. Putting these two collectively, we reckon, is a part of what makes it so particular is as a result of there are numerous optimistic works, however they will find yourself therapeutic kind of like a grocery retailer greeting card, that buck up and maintain your chin up child. Tolkien’s work doesn’t have that as a result of it really goes to the place of darkness and despair that you’d get in a World War I state of affairs. But it retains the optimism even not denying, however regardless of the darkness, and it makes it all of the extra highly effective.
DEADLINE: It is fascinating he selected to take his experiences and put them right into a fantasy. I bear in mind doing a really early interview with Sam Mendes for the film 1917, and he stated that this all stemmed from his experiences together with his grandfather. Sam would ask his father, why does grampa wash his arms on a regular basis? And his father stated, as a result of he was a runner in these trenches and he can by no means get the mud off his arms. That was the impetus for that epic WWI movie. Tolkien took that trauma and utilized it to create a fantasy world.
McKAY: Maybe that’s why we’re kind of waxing as critics virtually at this level, however the generational trauma that his era skilled he captured in a really totally different form of kind in these books. I feel he was so true to these feelings, despite the fact that they had been abstracted by Middle-earth. He didn’t wish to create an allegory, however his experiences had been the terrain that gave beginning to this.
And by being true to them, he’s created one thing that’s timeless and is true to us now. The thematics and the traumas the characters undergo, I feel they do converse to this second. And they spoke to the second when the movies got here out and so they spoke to the second within the ’60s when the books turned a cultural phenomenon and Led Zeppelin began placing ’em of their lyrics. Yeah, I imply it’s canonical. I feel it’s due to how true he was to what he was grappling with and the experiences he had on some deep core degree.
DEADLINE: You’ve stated you’re into the writing of Season 3 already. How shortly will this all occur? Another eight or 9 episodes? There’s definitely urgency to get them completed, not like Stranger Things the place you wish to end earlier than the actors attain maturity, however as a result of Amazon wants them.
McKAY: I’m tempted to go together with Scott Derrickson’s quote, however one other instance is I used to be simply blessed to have a stupendous child woman. She’s a yr previous now, and folks usually ask you, any extra children? And how lengthy will it take to make the subsequent one? Well, it takes 9 months to simply get a child, and it takes the time that it takes and there’s no solution to rush it. So we’re working very onerous on it and are deep within the writing course of and are actually enthusiastic about the place it’s going to go. But I don’t assume, we don’t have a date proper now.
DEADLINE: What was the Scott Derrickson quote?
PAYNE: We developed a venture with the director, Scott Derrickson, who was a mentor to us early in our profession. Scott stated, ‘No one will remember when they got it. They’ll solely bear in mind if it was good.’ “
