Greece’s National Security Advisor Athanasios Ntokos on Wednesday claimed that the existing belief in Brussels and various other significant European fundings is that “we need to do more about European strategic autonomy and invest more on defence” in the light of changing worldwide characteristics.
Speaking with Managing Editor Palki Sharma at ‘s IdeasPod as component of the yearly Raisina Dialogue arranged by Observers Research Foundation (ORF) in collaboration with the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA), Ntokos shared a dedication to work together with the United States and claimed that Europe is currently attempting to recognize what is the thinking about the brand-new American management.
“Of course, on the European side, we’ll keep trying to work with Washington as much as we can. But at the same time, we need to be preparing ourselves. So the thinking now in Brussels and major European capitals is that we need to do more, more about European strategic autonomy, invest more on defence,” claimed the Greece NSA.
Highlighting the difference in protection costs, he claimed that while Greece allots around 3% of its GDP to protection because of numerous geopolitical elements, the ordinary protection expense amongst European nations continues to be well listed below 1.5% which is certainly insufficient.
“So the decision has been made that both individual European countries, but also the EU as a whole, will be spending more on defence and also strengthening our strategic autonomy. The focus is not only defence, it’s about security, it’s about resilience, it’s about dealing with new threats,” included Ntokos.
When asked where does that leave Nato? Ntokos claimed, “Nato, at least the European thinking, is that Nato is still the most important military alliance, the cornerstone of European security, and will try to keep it strong and useful for as long as we can. Hopefully the same thinking will will be adapted by Washington.”
To a concern whether Nato can run as a natural pressure when Americans are discussing playing ice hockey with the Russians, the Greece NSA claimed, “Look, Nato has adapted to many changes since the end of the Cold War. Nato is a very flexible and adaptive organisation, so it can, you know, absorb various shocks. Now, again, let’s not, you know, try to predict what will happen over the next few days and weeks because developments may surprise us. But I think there’s still a a majority in Washington that believes in the in the value of Nato, of keeping Nato strong and alive.”
On Washington insisting insurance claims over Canada, Greenland and Panama, he claimed, “Panama Canal again, its in the early phases of a new administration. I think we should give them more time.”
When inquired about the expanding impact of non-state stars and state-of-the-art business like Starlink, Ntokos recognized the intricacies of the protection setting.
“Its not something new because non-state actors have been important players for many years, but having high-tech corporations and even individuals having so much power, this is a new element and we need to assess that. It’s complicated and already complicated, very complex security environment. You know, one of the problems is that we still have the physical dimension, physical space and all the conventional threats. And at the same time we also have digital space and all kind of digital and cyber threats. So this is a very complicated security environment and what you just mentioned, high-tech companies and individuals, you know, having too much power, this is further complicating the situation. We need to think how to manage that,” included Ntokos.
In the context of profession and protection, Greece encounters a complicated partnership with China, especially concerning its substantial visibility in the Port of Piraeus, the biggest port in Greece.
Ntokos discussed that when Greece privatised the port around 15 years earlier, China was the single capitalist.
Now, nevertheless, Greece is browsing this scenario thoroughly.
“So we made clear to our Chinese friends that we don’t like to see any new investment in critical infrastructure. And we kept China out of our 5G system. And we are monitoring what is happening in the port of Piraeus because we believe in the motto, trust but verify. So China is an important country politically and economically, but there is a framework of relations set by both the EU and NATO and Greece is abiding by that,” claimed Ntokos.
When asked if it was error to offer bulk risk to the Chinese in the port, Ntokos claimed, “Well, if we had the option of choosing a European or American company, I suspect that we would have made that choice. I suppose that’s an argument that a lot of countries can make that end up as victims of China’s debt trap diplomacy, that they have clear developmental goals and needs and those needs are not being met by the global financial infrastructure.”
In action to the debate that numerous nations might succumb to China’s supposed “debt trap diplomacy”, considered that these nations have particular developing objectives and requires that are not sufficiently attended to by the worldwide monetary system. Consequently, the only alternative offered to them commonly originates from China, which uses car loans and those car loans are taken and after that it adheres to the exact same pattern, Ntokos claimed, “What you said applies to a number of countries, but I want to be fair with China, they have made a significant investment in the port of Piraeus.
“And this has been a success story both for China but also for Greece, because now the port of Piraeus is probably the largest port of the Mediterranean. So in our case, that trap doesn’t apply. It has been a successful partnership for both sides,” he included.
On the subject of interior protection, Ntokos claimed that Greece has actually been lucky to prevent substantial radicalisation events. However, he acknowledged the continuous risk and the impact of social networks in advertising radicalisation and stressed the significance of gaining from the experiences of various other European nations to reduce these threats.
The discussion likewise discussed the difficulties postured by movement, which has actually ended up being a dissentious political problem throughoutEurope Ntokos claimed that while Greece has actually traditionally been an entrance factor for travelers to the EU, the increase of young, solitary guys offers assimilation difficulties.
He promoted for a typical EU asylum plan to much better share the duties amongst participant states.
Addressing the altruistic facets of movement, the Greece NSA mentioned, “Many Europeans understand the circumstances that compel people to leave their homes due to violence or poverty.” However, he likewise recognized that increasing numbers can cause reaction and political divisiveness.
On the continuous dispute in Ukraine, which has actually been qualified as both a geopolitical battle and a standard army interaction, Ntokos highlighted the double facets of standard war– where 2 militaries challenge– and the modern-day technical components go to play.
“Well, the interesting thing about Ukraine is that it is both an old type of war, any new type of war. So you have the the physical dimension, 2 armies fighting each other. Some of the tactics remind us of the Second World War or even First World War. But then you have all that new technology being used by both sides, you know, drones, information coming from satellites. At the same time you have an information warfare taking place between Russia on the one hand and Ukraine and its allies on the other. So it’s a very interesting conflict. We think that this is going to be the the shape of future warfare,” he included.
Finally, he went over the enhancing connections in between Greece and India in numerous industries, consisting of protection and modern technology. Both nations are teaming up on tasks like the India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor, which intends to improve connection and profession.
“Well, both sides are trying to build a strategic partnership. The relations are excellent. We’re working in various fields… There is also good personal relationship between two prime ministers and perhaps the most iconic project on which Greece and India are trying to cooperate is IMAX, the India Middle East Europe Economic Corridor. So India thinks, and of course Greece agrees that we are because of geography, one of the entry points to the EU. So we’re working together to make this project happen. And there’s also, I must add significant interest of Indian companies to invest in Greece and a number of Greek companies are looking into the Indian market. So I think the prospects are very positive,” claimed the Greek NSA.